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12 Dec 2021

New Zealand Coins

| mrbrklyn

I share my collecting with my kids and they had fallen in love with the New Zealand coins circa WII. They have especially taken a liking to six pence silver coins and we collected more than a few and sent them off to be graded by ANACS. What returned was that many of these coins had detailed grades, which suprised me. I've gotten pretty good at recognizing when coins are cleaned, at least in the US series. The 50% silver mix and the history of these coins seems to have thrown me off as nearly half of them have returned detailed cleaned. We've been told that is is hard to get such series in decent condition from NZ withouth them being treated to polishing agents and harshly wiped. Alought, looking over the coins, I'm not certain what to look for in terms of signs of cleaning. Needless to say, this is a new learning curve.

In a few weeks, the NY Internation coin show will being coming into town. I hope to get a crack at a few new NZ Six Pence coins at that time, and have a chance to discuss when we have at this point learned with real experts.

Comments

mrbrklyn

Level 4

[quote[There is no way to clean a coin. Only the grading company can clean it properly. [/quote] Mike, I certainly appreciate the thought but there are ways one can clean a coin and this is not restricted to grading companies. They can be gently dipped and soaked in acetone, Ancient and non-mint coins are clened out of necessity, and most silver over 100 years old has been properly dipped. By default, I would of course agree, one should not clean their coins, although I put most of my coins through an acetone bath, and I have read elsewhere that people rinse coins in water first. In any event, these coins are as is when I purchased them. I did not clean them. I just sent them to be graded. My understanding is that almost every coin of this period, 1900 - 1950 or so, out of New Zealand, have been cleaned. The issue is, have they been harshly cleaned. https://coinweek.com/education/is-it-ever-ok-to-clean-coins/ The key quote here is: [quote]As we said, not all cleaning is bad or injurious in itself. What we’re saying is that certain methods should be entrusted only to a very experienced and knowledgeable professional. Stop to consider for a moment that you would not take it upon yourself to restore or improve a valuable painting. You would seek out an individual best equipped to handle the project, an expert. The same adage applies to our coin hobby.[/quote] We all want to learn to be experts. That is the purpose of the hobby. But if you are going to learn to clean coins, you need to first do your research and then you should practice on cheap coins to deveope your skills. There has to be thousands, if not millions, of cleaned coins, properly conserved, in slabs.

"SUN"

Level 6

Nice blog, good luck in the future to add to your collection

Kepi

Level 6

Very beautiful coin! Have fun at the coin show! ; )

Golfer

Level 5

Its a shame so many coins have been cleaned. I think years ago, a lot of coin cleaning was done. I like ANACS for easy submissions and cost.

Anakin104

Level 4

Nice old coin. I only have one New Zealand coin from '95. I found it outside a pool a couple years ago

Longstrider

Level 6

Cool looking coins nevertheless. It takes time. I had a problem detecting cleaned coins for quite a while. Mokie nailed it on these. Good luck.

I. R. Bama

Level 5

Beautiful design!

Mike

Level 7

There is no way to clean a coin. Only the grading company can clean it properly. That's why we say never clean a coin. You will have hairline scratches and leave chemicals on it . It can devalue the coin. And yes Morgans can look that good. I have a MS 66. Beautiful luster. Its all how it was taken care of. Always were gloves!. Like I said only the graders can tell. And only the graders can clean. I have been collecting 30 years now. People think they can do it and learn the hard way.thanks for the blog!

slybluenote

Level 5

Great blog and a very nice coin. The only question that I would have is why are part of the indentations on the obverse copper colored and the other ones silver colored. I would prefer to have a graded example to compare it with, or an “expert” opinion since I’m obviously not an expert. Thanks for sharing !

AC coin$

Level 6

Great blog , Nice coin My favorites are Kings and Queens . Thanks for sharing

It's Mokie

Level 6

I see the cleaning evidence in the way the details like the lettering and parts of the bird are very light compared to the field, this would be my indicator.

Mike

Level 7

Second sentence change the word. Thanks for the blog. Interesting!

mrbrklyn

Level 4

why is it not just circulation wear? ANd even with that, there is cleaning and harsh cleaning. All those Bright Morgans haven't gotton that way naturally, and they grade without details. There is no hair lines here. The only question, and this I don;t have expertise on, is there damage to the surface. ANACS, evidently agrees there is, and others would agree. I would like to learn how to make this judgement.

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